Wiki Woodstock 1 /ting 26
Voilà la version locale de la session Ting26 du dimanche 16 mai 2005.
La version canonique est maintenue sur le Ting Wiki.
Nous mettons cela ici, parce qu'elle concerne le Wiki Woodstock 1, et ce dont nous avons parlé.
Mode Document
ting26_document
2005-05-15 SUNDAY 18:00 UTC
participants :
* lk: LionKimbro
* em: EmileKroeger
* ma: MattisManzel
* xtof: ChristopheDucamp
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Agenda:
* WikiWoodstock -- MattisManzel, LionKimbro
* InterCommunityCooperation -- LionKimbro
* TimeWindow -- LionKimbro
* DeepDifference Communities
* Outreach -- LionKimbro
* advertising the ting?
* MachineCodeBlocks -- LionKimbro
(names indicate who nominated the topic for discussion)
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Résumé de la Conversation :
* '''WikiWoodstock''' - NeKeMe organise une réunion NeKeMe le 11 juin
contraire avec nontre date planifiée à cette heure (pas nécessairement un conflit !)
* Le programme est agressif, parce que nous voulons une marche en avant, et nous
ne voulons pas nécessairement 1.5 million de personnes se montrant mais voulons
présenter le début d'une ligne d'événements.
* Rôles et Tâches :
* on-call Tech support : Lion est volontaire, mais veut 2 autres personnes pour l'aider
* on-call Translators : Luigi ? et Mattis. EmileKroeger et ChristopheDucamp
pour le support francophone. EmileKroeger couvrira la tranche horaire du fuseau asiatique et ChristopheDucamp
le fuseau européen.
* installation de pages wiki
* portée, assistance
* demander aux autres communautés si la date est bonne, si elles sont intéressées pour nous envoyer des représentants
ou même simplement quelqu'un qui nous accompagnera
* Seb Paquet devrait probablement bloguer à notre propos
* graphique - une bannière et un grand graphique à placer sur le haut de la page
* peut-être que MurrayAltheim ferait cela pour nous
* Prendre une route de collaboration low-tech (texte : Wiki, MoonEdit, IRC, Jabber),
pour faciliter les exigences techniques
* MoonEdit a une limite de 14 personnes par serveur;
* Nous pouvons avoir besoin de diviser les groupes entre deux serveurs (is-root et taoriver)
* Juin sonne bien. :)
* Nous avons besoin d'un paragraphe descriptif.
* Engagements :
* Nous utiliserons un OddWiki, que LionKimbro paramètrera un peu.
* LionKimbro demandera à MurrayAltheim pour produire peut-être un logo pour l'événement,
à finir d'ici une semaine (à compter d'aujourd'hui). ChristopheDucamp fera une demande de logo
à LaurentLuntai.
* Nous travaillerons sur le texte promotionnel / le texte descriptif sur Community Wiki
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Affiche de programme imaginée :
---------------------------------------------------------------
SATURDAY SUNDAY
9:00 AM -- OPENING 9:00 AM -- OPENING
12:00 PM -- SESSIONS 12:00 PM -- SESSIONS
#blahblah - MachineCodeBlocks
specification party (da dee dah)
#foo - Blah blah
#bar - Blah blah 3:00 PM -- SESSIONS
3:00 PM -- SESSIONS
#inter - Inter-Community
Cooperation
6:00 PM -- SESSIONS
#mcb - MachineCodeBlocks
coding party 9:00 PM -- GROUP CLOSING
9:00 PM -- CLOSING
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Perhaps have a "wiki newbies" track as well.
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Flyer concept, inspiration rave :
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WikiWoodstock 1 présentée par CommunityWiki,
CraoWiki, S23, ...
!Inter-Wiki Cooperation !
(Mattis écrit quelque chose de Organiser l'EspritDeRuche,
très grand et très accrocheur Appel des Tribus,
ici)
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Describe possibile tracks of (Exciting motivating text
conversation) here, about change and the
Internet and social organizing)
* IRC (irc.freenode.net) http://wikiwoodstock.org/
* MoonEdit http://wikiwoodstock.org/
* live Tech-Support http://wikiwoodstock.org/
* live human German & French translation
* de-spamming party bash!
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voir discussion sur ting26_talk à propos des formats église vs rave
Mode Discussion
ting26_talk
2005-05-15 SUNDAY 18:00 UTC
participants :
* lk: LionKimbro
* ma: Mattis Manzel
* xtof : Christophe Ducamp
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!!Setting Up WikiWoodstockIssues
ma: hoe!
lk: Oy! Mattis! {:D}=
ma: flammifer? As far as I remember yes, but he's not loged in. Or you
are exporting and greet outwards, possible. Anyhow. Nice proposals for
the tech-team.
em: hello :) yes I'm Emile
ma: Now he is, hi Emile.
em is on a windows virtual desktop ... it's all uuuugglllyyyyy
ma: But do you hear me typing is the question.
em: no, no sound :-P
lk: Everything seems back to normal. (My computer went all wacky, after
Sakura started typing. :) )
ma: I reboot in windows, this is unbearbable without the sound. brb. No
I have all irc channels open.
lk: okay.
em : Your daughter already knows how to screw up a system ?
lk: Oh, she's known that since the day she was born. {;D}= We call her
"Kaijyuu," or "monster."
lk: But, we should- oh, wait, there's still 7 minutes 'till 11:00.
ma: Just prepare a tea.
em: then starting now may be rude
lk: Maybe we *should* start now, though- the OpenSpace folk have a
saying, "When it starts is the right time to begin."
lk: em, do you have anything to add to the agenda? Do you have any
agenda items you want to talk about in particular today?
em: Well, I'm always interested in OnlienDebate and WikiDrama, but that
can stay on CommunityWiki. I *am* interesting in
intercommunitycooperation from the debate perspective (getting groups
who disagree to talk together), but also just from the "normal"
perspective (getting groups who agree to talk would already be nice ^^)
lk: Okay, let's put "DeepDifference communities" under
InterCommunityCooperation.
(tumbleweed rolls across)
lk: Mattis, are you back?
em: By the way, (not *extremely* relevant), it seems Nekeme (game
dev. association) has a meeting on WikiWoodstock day. June 11th. (A
"nekemeeting" ^^)
lk: eh?!?
lk: ah, ah, I see. I personally consider it relevant. Have you talked
with them about WikiWoodstock?
em: Well, seems to me the WikiWoodstock idea is a few hours old, no ? I
prefer to wait for it to mature, so I just mentioned it on Irc ^^
ma: back. The idea is this noon. Pushing a little to mature it is no
mistake, I guess. Just as lion says, the schedule is pretty tight, but I
think rough&dirty is the better way. Make sure it is not 1.5 millions
participating but make also sure that this in no unique thing but a
beginning of a regular, or periodical event.
lk: {;D}= I sense Mattis is right. (Pushing gets us off our butt.)
em: (If it wasn't rough&dirty it would be WikiG7 or WikiWorldSummit or
something ^^
lk: <laugh> {;D}= WorldWikiOrganization- the WWO. We could have CEO's
protesting outside, or something.
xtof : hi all. Lost : I've no sound on this fucking machine ;-)
lk: Oh! Christophe! Good to see you!
em: coucou christophe :) j'ai pas de son non plus
ma: hi xtof, me no sound either, It's horrible without sound. Agree.
em: Hmm, at CommunityWiki we have something like a forum but "hand
made", here we have something like irc but "hand made".
lk: (laugh)
ma: mean the date pages on CW?
em: the little icons too ^^
lk: Okay- is there- what do we have to add to the ideas expressed on
CW:WikiWoodstock? I guess- there's what's involved in preparation, and
stuff, assigning tasks.
ma: having people to help is the first step. Lion seems to be willing to
take over some technical part.
lk: Or is that premature, or..?
lk: Aye. I can do part of the tech support, but we'll need another
person or so. Ideally 3, so when there's an event I want to go to, (or
that one of the others wants to go to,) the rest can cover. We really
need people to be on-the-spot available. It's no fun to go to a
conference that's broken. :)
ma: thinking about who could care a bit for wireless issues for
example. Concerning translation I think Luigi and me do take our roll.
lk: Wireless? (I was imagining this is people at home, but,...)
ma: workshops, help on friday for setup for those using it.
lk: I'm thinking things like: "I'm trying to connect to the IRC server,
but can't figure out how." or, "This software isn't working for me, what
can we do?" <nod>
lk: I think the goal is to have everyone technically set and ready by
Friday night, but we'll probably need obvious support lines during it
too, in case something happens on the spot.
lk: I'm also thinking, we need:
* An initial set of wiki pages, to direct people, and to be a place for
* people to collaborate their schedules and topics. (In OpenSpace, this
* is the giant white sheets on enthe walls.) Outreach - we have to
* advertise this thing. ...?
em: I may be of help by being in a different time zone ^^
lk: True, true! Which tasks?
em: er, support ? Live answers on irc ? (outreach and stuff isn't time
critical)
xtof : em could we take in charge the french support ?
em: OK :) (I wouldn't be too hopeful for having to use any esperanto or
chinese ^^)
xtof : you'll take in charge the asian timezone and I'll make my own to
support the european timezone ;-)
ma: many people do not even know of the existance of collaborative
editors, which I think is the heart-piece of the wikiWoddstock, Maybe,
if we're good, skype takes over and people talk.
lk: I would think that ideal would be Skype + MoonEdit. MoonEdit for
taking the notes, and Skype for talking. (Actually, I'm not entirely
sure why we aren't doing that right now,... {;D}=) TeamSpeak can support
like, 20 people to a room, real-time voice. But maybe we should ease our
technicaen:l requirements a bit, (lots of issues with voice,) and just
go straight interactive text.
ma: I'd like to - early - extend the WikiWoodstock to arts too. A
streamed skype-jam-session for the WikiWoodstock's days is my ambition.
em : Hmm, Skype is all hashed when I use it ('cause I go through the
firewall) - I hope it's better for others ^^
lk: (writing in ting26_document)
lk: We could also set up a Jabber white board {:)}= (Coccinella)
Actually, it's kind of broken software... Better not. There's got to be
some good white boarding software out there, though.
lk: Doesn't it take like 1-2 seconds for sound to propagate over Skype?
(I would think that would screw up music,...) Maybe like repetitive
looped techno. {:D}= I would think that would be the best bet for
collaborating music online.
em: what would be best, skype, or techno ? (I imagine techno ^^)
lk: {;D}=
xtof : one day we'll invite Bill Christie, an american guy living in
Vendée(fr) even if we could all be fan of digital music. We could be fan
of baroque. Digital arts could conquer OldGeneration... Think it as a
Transgeneration Transmind.
ma: open a second window with ting26_document, please.
lk: Let's consider the high level tasks; So far, we have: on-line tech
support, translators, setting up wiki pages, outreach.
lk: I can make a wiki, or we could just use an OddWiki. I suppose it's a
matter of how fancy we want to get. I don't think we need fancy; We can
just: Set up an OddWiki, and make a nice graphic to put on the front
page.
ma: informing people on channels and blogs and wikis when a
respresentative presentation of the idea is done - might be in few
days. I can do some work there. Maybe even press. Wikipedia is the most
important source for participants, I suppose. WikiWoodstock includes and
welcomes people from wikipedia. wiki-beginners too. Sandboxing-workshops
for people first trying out wiki, maybe Friday late or saturday morning?
And again in between, maybe even standby-sandoxing-help-team, so that
people who wanna join in get nice help from the very first moment they
write in wiki. This welcoming attitude is very important I think. agree
about the wiki not having to be fancy, lion.
en: I think just having the possibility of setting up a "special" wiki
if it's really needed is enough (i.e., knowing how to migrate from
oddwiki)
lk: I think it's really needed, and here is specificly why- you want
something that looks like this:that says:
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SATURDAY SUNDAY
9:00 AM -- OPENING 9:00 AM -- OPENING
12:00 PM -- SESSIONS 12:00 PM -- SESSIONS
#blahblah - MachineCodeBlocks
specification party (da dee dah)
#foo - Blah blah
#bar - Blah blah 3:00 PM -- SESSIONS
3:00 PM -- SESSIONS
#inter - Inter-Community
Cooperation
6:00 PM -- SESSIONS
#mcb - MachineCodeBlocks
coding party 9:00 PM -- GROUP CLOSING
9:00 PM -- CLOSING
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lk: So, this is the sort of shape of the system that I envision; Perhaps
it would be better if we used MoonEdit to arrange the
space. CommunityTiedToOneTechnology and all- people will need to
horse-trade over the times and topics, and that means they need to be
able to converse next to the board that keeps the schedule. While we
could technically do this with a combination of IRC and wiki, or IRC and
MoonEdit, I think it would annoy people. That said, I think we're going
to require everyone to be in IRC, anyways. (Then again, maybe not:
Perhaps the only technology in use will be MoonEdit.)
lk: We also need a place for explaining how to get ahold of translators,
how to get ahold of tech support, all that stuff. We also need
pre-conference pages, that explain about: What kinds of things we're
doing, how to set up your tools, ...
lk: I hear somebody else typing, I just don't know where the
conversation is at..!
xtof : perhaps in the Venitian Corner ;-)
lk: {;D}= (Where is everybody?)
em is here (er, distracted by Irc)
xtof : here... distracted by the stereo (mick jagger and bill christie)
lk: {;D}=
lk: So, is the general plan good?
en: looks good. I'd stick to irc only if it's explicitely needed (tech
support ?)
lk: I think tech support people will need to be available by as many
out-of-band channels as possible, including telephone.
ma: A point that never concered up to now is that moon-edit is limited
to 14 (if you find the last free color to log in) irc is unlimited
(?). How to make different but relating moon-edit session cooperate in
real time will hopefully become an issue. By expeorting to wiki and
having the wiki-window visible and read when it changes every minute or
so. Just in case we want to try to make several dozens or hundreds of
people work real time (done producing a full history of the working
process).
lk: Perhaps it should be IRC, with optional MoonEdit for the groups that
need to take minutes. (I would suspect that would be most groups.)
Perhaps we should host two moonedit servers- this one, and one running
on my computer.
lk: Well, I think I know how: On the wiki, have pointers to the raw
MoonEdit text files. We can divide up groups between the servers when
they get full.
em: (how 'bout a "read-only" irc channel for general announcements - to
make sure discussion is on moon edit ?)
lk: I don't think we need to automatically put the text onto wiki - you
can just hit it straight with a web browser. You configure Apache to
serve the Moonedit text file directory, and then everyone can see the
current state by hitting "reload."
lk: read-only IRC?
lk: I imagine we should have something like:
#lobby -- entry area, general hang-out space between sessions
#techsupport -- technical assistance
#foo -- (people meeting)
#bar -- (people meeting)
#baz -- (people meeting)
#boz -- (people meeting)
.
.
.
lk: To bad we don't have a MoonEdit AJAX interface. Then we could just
say, "Go to this website, and you're in the collaborative session. :)"
ma: seems like we'll have a WikiWoodstock in June. :)
lk: {:D}=
lk: We should bring a close to this topic for this week's Ting. We
should probably continue on CW. But before we leave this topic, I'd feel
better if we made some commitments. How about:
* We'll use an OddWiki, which LionKimbro will set up a bit.
* LionKimbro will ask MurrayAltheim about maybe making a logo for the
event, to be completed in 1 weeks time (from today.) ChristopheDucamp
will ask for a logo from LaurentLuntai.
ma: two weeks is far too long. Tomorrow. Else use some woodstock
fotos. The one from the stage is great i think. Ok, tranquillo,
sorry. ;)
xtof : I'll ask also for a logo to LaurentLunati. We could organize a
WikiWoodstock logo competition ?
ma: logo competition is a good idea.
lk: I'm worried- what if both Murray Altheim and Laurnet Lunati make
logos? But, I'd rather have Laurent do it, because that will pull in
another community- Murray is already in CommunityWiki.
lk: competitions a great idea :)
en (Murphy's Law would say if they both do one, I'll probably have done
one too ^^)
lk: Let's see- is there more we should be committing to? Are we going to
settle on a date today? (I'm okay with determining date next week.) I
don't know if- Emile, do you think NeKeMe members might be interested in
coming? (Maybe even just one, beyond yourself?) Perhaps we should make a
general call for representatives.
xtof : sorry but i don't know NeKeMe ?
em: xtof, c'est une association qui fait des jeux
libres. http://nekeme.net. On est francais ^^
xtof : merci emile ;)
en: I don't know, little respons on irc. mailing lists later ... I'm
still not sure exactly how to *describe* WikiWoodstock ^^
lk: I suspect that we should talk with the S23 folk as well, before
beginning, as well as FlorianFesti.
lk: Oh! Good point, Emile! We should write up a paragraph explaining the
idea. When I get the WikiWoodstock wiki set up, we'll copy the paragraph
there, put it on the front page, next to the picture / logo.
lk: You know, SebPaquet is a blogger bigwig- he'd be happy to advertise
this. {:)}= He likes wiki a lot.
lk: We should get our description paragraph together first, though. I'll
bet dollars to donuts it'll be on Seb's blog page, when he cites it.
em : yup ^^ Had a hard time explaining earlier on irc ^^
lk: Okay, decision time: Do we figure out our description now, or make
it on CW over the next week.
xtof : transporter room on cw could be a nice idea ? we have now to
refactor our ting26_document to carry it anywhere in any language. I'll
try to translate it in french too.
em: I vote, let's try to define it now
lk: Okay. "WikiWoodstock is..." (brainstorming)
* a meeting for anyone and everyone interested in wiki
* a global collaboration-party, (-orgy probably) and not reduced on
moon-edit. You can take part without it too.
* a yearly event- a TimeWindow
* a repeating but irregular event. WikiWoodstock2 might come to
collaborate and support wikimania 4 - 8. August 2005
* A happening
* a moonedit discovery party
* this year, theme is: InterCommunityCooperation
* A Wiki World Summit ^^
* the World-Wiki-Organization {;D}= nah...
just a sec brb
xtof : let't try a french translation in real time :
* un rendez-vous pour quiconque intéressé par wiki
* un événement annuel - une FenêtreTemps
* un Happening
* une fete de decouverte de Moonedit
* une rave en ligne
* cette année une CoopérationInterCommunauté
* un Sommet Mondial Wiki ^^
em: (I just noticed I had been disconnected from the document mode :-P
no wonder nobody was writing)
lk: Oh, Christophe; I always feel so bad- I keep changing pages on the
wiki, and then you keep having to synchronize them. We need some code,
so that I can signal, "Christophe, I'm changing this one a lot right
now," or something, so I don't make more work for you.
xtof : let's speak of translation-joke ;-) I love nomadism
en : maybe there should be an informal rule about translations ? Like,
only translate what falls off the recent changes ?
lk: Or maybe: Translate what hasn't been touched in 2 days? 2-days off
today on RC? (Kinda hard to find out what's off RecentChanges, because
it's off RecentChanges.)
xtof : let's say I feel sometimes excited to discover your underlying
ideas :-)
lk: :)
lk: re the paragraph, I'm worried that it feels to "airy-fairy"
"woo-foo" without much substance behind it. Perhaps we should make some
more specific statements about it?
lk: I'll look at some of my rave advertising postercards; They always
have a bunch of booster promo-language on it; That may be a good
inspiration.
lk: Ah, I see-- it's sort of like a resume! So, we could have a promo
section that says the kinds of things we're going to be talking about,
in a way that appeals to gut and spirit; Then we can list the
technologies we'll be using, and have the URL of the wiki pages that
describe the technologies. We should probably use a link shortener, so
that it will be easy to copy and paste, and we can get a lot of info
density. So, I can imagine something looking like this:
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WikiWoodstock 1 presented by CommunityWiki,
CraoWiki, S23, ...
!Inter-Wiki Cooperation!
(Mattis writes something really Organizing the HiveMind,
sweeping and grand here.) Calling the Tribes,
- - - - - - -
Describe possibile tracks of (Exciting motivating text
conversation) here, about change and the
Internet and social organizing)
* IRC (irc.freenode.net) http://wikiwoodstock.org/
* MoonEdit http://wikiwoodstock.org/
* live Tech-Support http://wikiwoodstock.org/
* live human German & French translation
* de-spamming party bash!
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*em plays the saxophone to add a soundtrack* Bweeeeeeeep dadatzaa *drum
roll*
em: Hmm, I wonder if "tribes" and "hive mind" will appeal to that many
people. Isn't it a bit "vocabulary tied to a community" ? ^^ (well,
tribes maybe not)
lk: <laugh> That may be. What I really mean, is just something that will
be inspiring to people, and that signals with the language used by
various collective intelligence wiki type people stuff. Perhaps we
should even borrow LinkLanguage common to lots of wiki; Try to figure
out how to fit it in. "DocumentMode bash party" or whatever. of {;D}=
RecentChanges. "Don't be a ColdBlanket,..." Hm, maybe too specific. And
we really want communities of all sorts, actually: We'd like planet
communities as well- those bloggers that just have a central aggregator.
ma: What I also thought about were kinda despaming-raids. Get a bunch of
folks together and despam. Lists of possible tagets and instructors or
people leading a willing depaming-hoard would be good.
enm: (note : have a WikiWoodstock on the next Talk Like a Pirate Day)
lk: De-spamming party! {;D}=
lk: You can leave a card on each wiki you de-spam. "Your wiki de-spammed
today by... ...the WikiWoodstock TAZ." {;D}=
ma: leave a card, ;)
em: Hmm, something like "you have been wikiwoodstocked" (instead of
slashdotted)
ma: lol
lk: {;D}=
lk: Or,... Perhaps since the theme is inter-*community* (need to keep
reminding myself!) cooperation, perhaps we should go with a more
church-theme, than rave-theme. Or some hybrid. (yeeech!) That is: make
it more like a picnic themed thing,..
lk: Let me go look up some promo material, to see how they arrange it...
ma: I'll leave a note on religion-wiki, but else we shouln't care too
much about religion. We're respectful. That should do.
lk: http://www.visualpractitioner.org/directory/
lk: Nah, nah, nah- I don't mean religion- I just mean: The style of
their promo stuff. You know, you go to the grocery store, and you see
some church that's advertising for people to come visit. I'm saying, the
language they use is very different than the language you find on rave
lit. Not too many churches saying: "His DMC-style turntablism combined
with the funkiest of house and boundless energy are rapidly making him
one of the west coast's most popular performers,...." You just don't see
language like that in church lit. You see pictures of baskets and talks
about harmony and you see silloettes of people holding hands and stuff.
lk: If the theme is WikiWoodstock and InterCommunityCooperation, we want
something that will pull that crowd, and find the people who have that
vision, and inspire them so strongly, that they want to come. So, we
have to use the right language to pull them in; Pass them the code-words
and stuff.
lk: Or, perhaps we're just recruiting our friends, which is also a
perfectly good strategy, at this point. Just having 15-30 people would
be an amazing feat here.
ma: recruiting, military term. Inviting our friends to party with
us. This approach + 300 bar steam pressure.
lk: U h, shoot. Everyone's gone. I scared them away or something.
lk: {:)}=
lk: 300 bar? (?)
ma: bar is athmosheric pressure. No, we did not scare them away. This
page is rich, rich, rich, thank you very much,lion, dear friend.
lk: oh! okay :)
lk: flammifer disappeared from IRC too, I think his computer must have
just failed him, or his modem.
lk: Shall we call it a day? We don't have our paragraph, but we can work
it out on CW, and ratify it next week, or something.
ma: A day.
lk: Okay!
ma: cu.
lk: Are you going to put this on the TingWiki?
em : I'm back to life :)
ma: ha. tings never end!
lk: Oh, good! {;D}=
lk: Emile, do you have something to add before we go? We didn't get a
paragraph out of this. {:(}= But we can let it bake on CW for a while.
ma: fry
em: Nothing special to add, no. working it out on cw seems fine. tho I
haven't seen a lot of "church fliers", I get the idea ^^
em: (conidering it's half past 3 in the morning here, I'm ready to call
it a night - *rubs eyes*)
lk: Okay!
lk: Meeting ajourned! {:)}=
em: (goodbye / goodnight folks !)
lk: g'night {:D}=
ma: n8 :)
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